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UK man fined after avoiding facial recognition scanner on street
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2019-02-15 04:30:06 UTC
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A man has been fined after refusing to be scanned by controversial facial recognition cameras being trialled by the Metropolitan Police.

The force had put out a statement saying "anyone who declines to be scanned will not necessarily be viewed as suspicious". However, witnesses said several people were stopped after covering their faces or pulling up hoods.

Campaign group Big Brother Watch said one man had seen placards warning members of the public that automatic facial recognition cameras were filming them from a parked police van.

"He simply pulled up the top of his jumper over the bottom of his face, put his head down and walked past," said director Silkie Carlo.

"There was nothing suspicious about him at all _ you have the right to avoid [the cameras], you have the right to cover your face. I think he was exercising his rights."

Ms Carlo, who was monitoring Thursday's trial in Romford, London, told The Independent she saw a plainclothed police officer follow the man before a group of officers "pulled him over to one side".

She said they demanded to see the man's identification, which he gave them, and became "accusatory and aggressive".

"The guy told them to p*** off and then they gave him the _90 public order fine for swearing," Ms Carlo added. "He was really angry."

A spokesperson said officers were instructed to "use their judgment" on whether to stop people who avoid cameras.

"Officers stopped a man who was seen acting suspiciously in Romford town centre during the deployment of the live facial recognition technology," a statement said.

"After being stopped the man became aggressive and made threats towards officers. He was issued with a penalty notice for disorder as a result."

Eight people were arrested during the eight-hour trial, although only three were a direct result of facial recognition technology.

A 15-year-old boy identified by the cameras was arrested on suspicion of robbery but released with no further action.

A 28-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of false imprisonment and another man, 35-year-old man, was arrested on suspicion of breach of a molestation order.

The other arrests were two teenage boys accused of robbery, a 17-year-old boy accused of firing a gun and two men, aged 25 and 46, for drug possession.

The deployment trial was due to continue on Friday, but rescheduled because of forecast snow and cold temperatures causing "low footfall".

Monitors saw several other people stopped outside Romford station, in north east London, including a student who had pulled his hood up and a man handcuffed and put in a police van.

Activists from the Liberty human rights group said they spoke to a youth worker who was stopped because he "looked like someone" on a watchlist, but had been misidentified.

Scotland Yard said the two-day deployment of cameras in Romford would be the last of 10 trials of the controversial technology.

The Independent revealed that more than _200,000 was spent on six deployments that resulted in no arrests between August 2016 and July last year. Two people wanted for violent offences were arrested after a trial in December.

Critics have called the force's use of facial recognition a "shambles" and accused Scotland Yard of wasting public money.

Automatic facial recognition software compares live footage of people's faces to photos from a watchlist of selected images from a police database.

Any potential matches are flashed up as an alert to officers, who then compare the faces and decide whether to stop someone.

The Metropolitan Police has described the deployments as "overt" and said members of the public were informed facial recognition was being used by posters and leaflets.

But no one questioned by The Independent after they passed through a scanning zone in central London in December had seen police publicity material, and campaigners claim the technology is being rolled out "by stealth".

Detective Chief Superintendent Ivan Balhatchet, Scotland Yard's lead for facial recognition, said a full independent evaluation will be carried out.

"The technology used in Romford forms part of the Met's ongoing efforts to reduce crime in the area, with a specific focus on tackling violence," he added.

"As with all previous deployments the technology was used overtly. We continue to engage with many different stakeholders, some who actively challenge our use of this technology."
Incubus
2019-02-15 09:55:47 UTC
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A man has been fined after refusing to be scanned by controversial facial recognition cameras being trialled by the Metropolitan Police.
The force had put out a statement saying "anyone who declines to be scanned will not necessarily be viewed as suspicious". However, witnesses said several people were stopped after covering their faces or pulling up hoods.
Campaign group Big Brother Watch said one man had seen placards warning members of the public that automatic facial recognition cameras were filming them from a parked police van.
"He simply pulled up the top of his jumper over the bottom of his face, put his head down and walked past," said director Silkie Carlo.
"There was nothing suspicious about him at all _ you have the right to avoid [the cameras], you have the right to cover your face. I think he was exercising his rights."
Ms Carlo, who was monitoring Thursday's trial in Romford, London, told The Independent she saw a plainclothed police officer follow the man before a group of officers "pulled him over to one side".
She said they demanded to see the man's identification, which he gave them, and became "accusatory and aggressive".
"The guy told them to p*** off and then they gave him the _90 public order fine for swearing," Ms Carlo added. "He was really angry."
A spokesperson said officers were instructed to "use their judgment" on whether to stop people who avoid cameras.
"Officers stopped a man who was seen acting suspiciously in Romford town centre during the deployment of the live facial recognition technology," a statement said.
"After being stopped the man became aggressive and made threats towards officers. He was issued with a penalty notice for disorder as a result."
Eight people were arrested during the eight-hour trial, although only three were a direct result of facial recognition technology.
A 15-year-old boy identified by the cameras was arrested on suspicion of robbery but released with no further action.
A 28-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of false imprisonment and another man, 35-year-old man, was arrested on suspicion of breach of a molestation order.
The other arrests were two teenage boys accused of robbery, a 17-year-old boy accused of firing a gun and two men, aged 25 and 46, for drug possession.
The deployment trial was due to continue on Friday, but rescheduled because of forecast snow and cold temperatures causing "low footfall".
Monitors saw several other people stopped outside Romford station, in north east London, including a student who had pulled his hood up and a man handcuffed and put in a police van.
Activists from the Liberty human rights group said they spoke to a youth worker who was stopped because he "looked like someone" on a watchlist, but had been misidentified.
Scotland Yard said the two-day deployment of cameras in Romford would be the last of 10 trials of the controversial technology.
The Independent revealed that more than _200,000 was spent on six deployments that resulted in no arrests between August 2016 and July last year. Two people wanted for violent offences were arrested after a trial in December.
Critics have called the force's use of facial recognition a "shambles" and accused Scotland Yard of wasting public money.
Automatic facial recognition software compares live footage of people's faces to photos from a watchlist of selected images from a police database.
Any potential matches are flashed up as an alert to officers, who then compare the faces and decide whether to stop someone.
The Metropolitan Police has described the deployments as "overt" and said members of the public were informed facial recognition was being used by posters and leaflets.
But no one questioned by The Independent after they passed through a scanning zone in central London in December had seen police publicity material, and campaigners claim the technology is being rolled out "by stealth".
Detective Chief Superintendent Ivan Balhatchet, Scotland Yard's lead for facial recognition, said a full independent evaluation will be carried out.
"The technology used in Romford forms part of the Met's ongoing efforts to reduce crime in the area, with a specific focus on tackling violence," he added.
"As with all previous deployments the technology was used overtly. We continue to engage with many different stakeholders, some who actively challenge our use of this technology."
Police State 2019...
The Todal
2019-02-15 10:12:43 UTC
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A man has been fined after refusing to be scanned by controversial facial recognition cameras being trialled by the Metropolitan Police.
The force had put out a statement saying "anyone who declines to be scanned will not necessarily be viewed as suspicious". However, witnesses said several people were stopped after covering their faces or pulling up hoods.
Campaign group Big Brother Watch said one man had seen placards warning members of the public that automatic facial recognition cameras were filming them from a parked police van.
"He simply pulled up the top of his jumper over the bottom of his face, put his head down and walked past," said director Silkie Carlo.
"There was nothing suspicious about him at all _ you have the right to avoid [the cameras], you have the right to cover your face. I think he was exercising his rights."
Ms Carlo, who was monitoring Thursday's trial in Romford, London, told The Independent she saw a plainclothed police officer follow the man before a group of officers "pulled him over to one side".
She said they demanded to see the man's identification, which he gave them, and became "accusatory and aggressive".
"The guy told them to p*** off and then they gave him the _90 public order fine for swearing," Ms Carlo added. "He was really angry."
A spokesperson said officers were instructed to "use their judgment" on whether to stop people who avoid cameras.
"Officers stopped a man who was seen acting suspiciously in Romford town centre during the deployment of the live facial recognition technology," a statement said.
"After being stopped the man became aggressive and made threats towards officers. He was issued with a penalty notice for disorder as a result."
Eight people were arrested during the eight-hour trial, although only three were a direct result of facial recognition technology.
A 15-year-old boy identified by the cameras was arrested on suspicion of robbery but released with no further action.
A 28-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of false imprisonment and another man, 35-year-old man, was arrested on suspicion of breach of a molestation order.
The other arrests were two teenage boys accused of robbery, a 17-year-old boy accused of firing a gun and two men, aged 25 and 46, for drug possession.
The deployment trial was due to continue on Friday, but rescheduled because of forecast snow and cold temperatures causing "low footfall".
Monitors saw several other people stopped outside Romford station, in north east London, including a student who had pulled his hood up and a man handcuffed and put in a police van.
Activists from the Liberty human rights group said they spoke to a youth worker who was stopped because he "looked like someone" on a watchlist, but had been misidentified.
Scotland Yard said the two-day deployment of cameras in Romford would be the last of 10 trials of the controversial technology.
The Independent revealed that more than _200,000 was spent on six deployments that resulted in no arrests between August 2016 and July last year. Two people wanted for violent offences were arrested after a trial in December.
Critics have called the force's use of facial recognition a "shambles" and accused Scotland Yard of wasting public money.
Automatic facial recognition software compares live footage of people's faces to photos from a watchlist of selected images from a police database.
Any potential matches are flashed up as an alert to officers, who then compare the faces and decide whether to stop someone.
The Metropolitan Police has described the deployments as "overt" and said members of the public were informed facial recognition was being used by posters and leaflets.
But no one questioned by The Independent after they passed through a scanning zone in central London in December had seen police publicity material, and campaigners claim the technology is being rolled out "by stealth".
Detective Chief Superintendent Ivan Balhatchet, Scotland Yard's lead for facial recognition, said a full independent evaluation will be carried out.
"The technology used in Romford forms part of the Met's ongoing efforts to reduce crime in the area, with a specific focus on tackling violence," he added.
"As with all previous deployments the technology was used overtly. We continue to engage with many different stakeholders, some who actively challenge our use of this technology."
Police State 2019...
It's outrageous. It's what people would expect of Corbyn's socialist
state of Great Britain.

Labour does, of course, have a track record of imprisoning suspects
without trial and being slapped down by our judges. It always made
Blunkett very petulant, when he was slapped down.
Incubus
2019-02-15 11:18:28 UTC
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A man has been fined after refusing to be scanned by controversial facial recognition cameras being trialled by the Metropolitan Police.
The force had put out a statement saying "anyone who declines to be scanned will not necessarily be viewed as suspicious". However, witnesses said several people were stopped after covering their faces or pulling up hoods.
Campaign group Big Brother Watch said one man had seen placards warning members of the public that automatic facial recognition cameras were filming them from a parked police van.
"He simply pulled up the top of his jumper over the bottom of his face, put his head down and walked past," said director Silkie Carlo.
"There was nothing suspicious about him at all _ you have the right to avoid [the cameras], you have the right to cover your face. I think he was exercising his rights."
Ms Carlo, who was monitoring Thursday's trial in Romford, London, told The Independent she saw a plainclothed police officer follow the man before a group of officers "pulled him over to one side".
She said they demanded to see the man's identification, which he gave them, and became "accusatory and aggressive".
"The guy told them to p*** off and then they gave him the _90 public order fine for swearing," Ms Carlo added. "He was really angry."
A spokesperson said officers were instructed to "use their judgment" on whether to stop people who avoid cameras.
"Officers stopped a man who was seen acting suspiciously in Romford town centre during the deployment of the live facial recognition technology," a statement said.
"After being stopped the man became aggressive and made threats towards officers. He was issued with a penalty notice for disorder as a result."
Eight people were arrested during the eight-hour trial, although only three were a direct result of facial recognition technology.
A 15-year-old boy identified by the cameras was arrested on suspicion of robbery but released with no further action.
A 28-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of false imprisonment and another man, 35-year-old man, was arrested on suspicion of breach of a molestation order.
The other arrests were two teenage boys accused of robbery, a 17-year-old boy accused of firing a gun and two men, aged 25 and 46, for drug possession.
The deployment trial was due to continue on Friday, but rescheduled because of forecast snow and cold temperatures causing "low footfall".
Monitors saw several other people stopped outside Romford station, in north east London, including a student who had pulled his hood up and a man handcuffed and put in a police van.
Activists from the Liberty human rights group said they spoke to a youth worker who was stopped because he "looked like someone" on a watchlist, but had been misidentified.
Scotland Yard said the two-day deployment of cameras in Romford would be the last of 10 trials of the controversial technology.
The Independent revealed that more than _200,000 was spent on six deployments that resulted in no arrests between August 2016 and July last year. Two people wanted for violent offences were arrested after a trial in December.
Critics have called the force's use of facial recognition a "shambles" and accused Scotland Yard of wasting public money.
Automatic facial recognition software compares live footage of people's faces to photos from a watchlist of selected images from a police database.
Any potential matches are flashed up as an alert to officers, who then compare the faces and decide whether to stop someone.
The Metropolitan Police has described the deployments as "overt" and said members of the public were informed facial recognition was being used by posters and leaflets.
But no one questioned by The Independent after they passed through a scanning zone in central London in December had seen police publicity material, and campaigners claim the technology is being rolled out "by stealth".
Detective Chief Superintendent Ivan Balhatchet, Scotland Yard's lead for facial recognition, said a full independent evaluation will be carried out.
"The technology used in Romford forms part of the Met's ongoing efforts to reduce crime in the area, with a specific focus on tackling violence," he added.
"As with all previous deployments the technology was used overtly. We continue to engage with many different stakeholders, some who actively challenge our use of this technology."
Police State 2019...
It's outrageous. It's what people would expect of Corbyn's socialist
state of Great Britain.
Labour does, of course, have a track record of imprisoning suspects
without trial and being slapped down by our judges. It always made
Blunkett very petulant, when he was slapped down.
Both parties have lurched towards being a Police State. I've never pretended
to be happy with the Home Office under the recent Conservative governments;
they are deeply authoritarian and distrust technology in the hands of the
people but consolidate its use by the state. May's ignorance in demanding a
ban on encryption is a notable example and is one of the reasons I felt she
would not make a good Prime Minister. They have continued where Blair left off
in creating anti-terror laws that can, have (and will) be misused to subdue the
population.

Although I have never been naive enough to believe the government is, shall we
say, my friend, I at least had faith that it would leave me alone as long as I
didn't do anything outrageous. Now I don't trust it at all.
Ophelia
2019-02-15 10:40:54 UTC
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A man has been fined after refusing to be scanned by controversial facial
recognition cameras being trialled by the Metropolitan Police.
The force had put out a statement saying "anyone who declines to be
scanned will not necessarily be viewed as suspicious". However, witnesses
said several people were stopped after covering their faces or pulling up
hoods.
Campaign group Big Brother Watch said one man had seen placards warning
members of the public that automatic facial recognition cameras were
filming them from a parked police van.
"He simply pulled up the top of his jumper over the bottom of his face,
put his head down and walked past," said director Silkie Carlo.
"There was nothing suspicious about him at all _ you have the right to
avoid [the cameras], you have the right to cover your face. I think he was
exercising his rights."
Ms Carlo, who was monitoring Thursday's trial in Romford, London, told The
Independent she saw a plainclothed police officer follow the man before a
group of officers "pulled him over to one side".
She said they demanded to see the man's identification, which he gave
them, and became "accusatory and aggressive".
"The guy told them to p*** off and then they gave him the _90 public order
fine for swearing," Ms Carlo added. "He was really angry."
A spokesperson said officers were instructed to "use their judgment" on
whether to stop people who avoid cameras.
"Officers stopped a man who was seen acting suspiciously in Romford town
centre during the deployment of the live facial recognition technology," a
statement said.
"After being stopped the man became aggressive and made threats towards
officers. He was issued with a penalty notice for disorder as a result."
Eight people were arrested during the eight-hour trial, although only
three were a direct result of facial recognition technology.
A 15-year-old boy identified by the cameras was arrested on suspicion of
robbery but released with no further action.
A 28-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of false imprisonment and
another man, 35-year-old man, was arrested on suspicion of breach of a
molestation order.
The other arrests were two teenage boys accused of robbery, a 17-year-old
boy accused of firing a gun and two men, aged 25 and 46, for drug
possession.
The deployment trial was due to continue on Friday, but rescheduled
because of forecast snow and cold temperatures causing "low footfall".
Monitors saw several other people stopped outside Romford station, in
north east London, including a student who had pulled his hood up and a
man handcuffed and put in a police van.
Activists from the Liberty human rights group said they spoke to a youth
worker who was stopped because he "looked like someone" on a watchlist,
but had been misidentified.
Scotland Yard said the two-day deployment of cameras in Romford would be
the last of 10 trials of the controversial technology.
The Independent revealed that more than _200,000 was spent on six
deployments that resulted in no arrests between August 2016 and July last
year. Two people wanted for violent offences were arrested after a trial
in December.
Critics have called the force's use of facial recognition a "shambles" and
accused Scotland Yard of wasting public money.
Automatic facial recognition software compares live footage of people's
faces to photos from a watchlist of selected images from a police
database.
Any potential matches are flashed up as an alert to officers, who then
compare the faces and decide whether to stop someone.
The Metropolitan Police has described the deployments as "overt" and said
members of the public were informed facial recognition was being used by
posters and leaflets.
But no one questioned by The Independent after they passed through a
scanning zone in central London in December had seen police publicity
material, and campaigners claim the technology is being rolled out "by
stealth".
Detective Chief Superintendent Ivan Balhatchet, Scotland Yard's lead for
facial recognition, said a full independent evaluation will be carried
out.
"The technology used in Romford forms part of the Met's ongoing efforts to
reduce crime in the area, with a specific focus on tackling violence," he
added.
"As with all previous deployments the technology was used overtly. We
continue to engage with many different stakeholders, some who actively
challenge our use of this technology."
Police State 2019...

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It edges forward ...
Pamela
2019-02-16 13:49:45 UTC
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echnology-london-trial-met-police-face-cover-man-fined-a8756936.html>
A man has been fined after refusing to be scanned by controversial
facial recognition cameras being trialled by the Metropolitan Police.
The force had put out a statement saying "anyone who declines to be
scanned will not necessarily be viewed as suspicious". However,
witnesses said several people were stopped after covering their faces or
pulling up hoods.
I suppose if we want Islamic terrorists not to hide their face behind a niqab
or burka in public then we must also show our face.
William Unruh
2019-02-16 21:47:06 UTC
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echnology-london-trial-met-police-face-cover-man-fined-a8756936.html>
A man has been fined after refusing to be scanned by controversial
facial recognition cameras being trialled by the Metropolitan Police.
The force had put out a statement saying "anyone who declines to be
scanned will not necessarily be viewed as suspicious". However,
witnesses said several people were stopped after covering their faces or
pulling up hoods.
I suppose if we want Islamic terrorists not to hide their face behind a niqab
or burka in public then we must also show our face.
Since breasts and penises and pubes and knees differ between people, we
should demand that everyone go around naked so we can identify them more
easily. This business of people changing clothes from day to day (and
even worse, hairstyles) also just has to stop. Sheesh.
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